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Title: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Smurphy on May 05, 2017, 06:00:27 pm
Righto guys and gals,you are bugging out on foot. You can carry 1 (yes ONE. No but ifs.) Firearm, that you own, or plan to own shortly. Legally. Whats everyone packing?
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 05, 2017, 06:18:13 pm
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Righto guys and gals,you are bugging out on foot. You can carry 1 (yes ONE. No but ifs.) Firearm, that you own, or plan to own shortly. Legally. Whats everyone packing?

The one and only true can do it all a 22LR. Hot on its heels one of my many 12G, diff loads for diff game diff job. But that does not mean I don't like my 308 or the couple of 30-30 I own, but anything that is hit with a 22LR in the right place will fall dead in it's track, you won't destroy meat, ammo is light to carry, is not noisy, and what recoil? Hit a rabbit with a 30 cal and all you will have is mince meat. If all I could pick it would be my Savage FVSR in 22LR.

Illegal rifle I would pick if posible, I just love the AK47, have shoot it in the land of the camel and just love it, AK's are indestructible but don't make for a great hunting rifle so probably would pick a M4/223 as it is somewhat less meat destroying, but even with those 2 in the mix, down under in a SHTF situation in the bush the 22LR is king!
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: graynomad on May 05, 2017, 06:46:13 pm
I'll probably say my Ruger Charger.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Smurphy on May 05, 2017, 06:47:09 pm
Got to disagree. A .22 is great fun to shoot, don't get me wrong, but wouldn't you at least pick a magnum? Sure they are quiet, but I would rather 1 shot and the animal goes down, than 4 or 5 and it still runs off. And yes, I am aware that shot placement is crucial above all else, but that will be pretty hard to come by once all of the animals wise up.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 05, 2017, 07:13:55 pm
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Got to disagree. A .22 is great fun to shoot, don't get me wrong, but wouldn't you at least pick a magnum? Sure they are quiet, but I would rather 1 shot and the animal goes down, than 4 or 5 and it still runs off. And yes, I am aware that shot placement is crucial above all else, but that will be pretty hard to come by once all of the animals wise up.


Magnum is harder to find when SHTF, 22LR is way more common. I can put a 22LR in the eye of anything out to 100m all day long with my FVSR, any one that thinks you need more than a 22LR to put down a critter up to deer/roo size has no idea about hunting a ammo ballistics, not terribly ethical but a 22LR will drop most things when shot. Tried shooting a rabbit with a 308? I have and forget trying to eat it, but I have reloaded my 308/30-30 in subsonic speeds and will do somewhat better for meat hunting on small critters, but carry 100 30 cal rounds as the same weight with a 22LR and you will have way more ammo. The under rated 22LR is still the leading cause of death around the world when it comes to human being shot with firearms, or at least up there in civilian mishaps. I have lost count of all them Rambo macho bullshite wankers that say I can deal and do anything with my 308 and don't care about recoil, the number one accuracy reason goes out of the window besides some on not knowing how to shoot or set up a rifle is, recoil! Less recoil the better shot placement. Now don't get me wrong I can get the same accuracy out of my Scout 308 as to my Savage 22LR, but the 22LR rifle weighs less, ammo weighs less and is way more versatile when it comes to hunting game, but that is post SHTF, I will and won't use a 22LR on deer or the likes as it is illegal, but when it comes to walking in the bush post SHTF the 22LR in the hands of a competent shooter will serve you longer and better than a 30cal, and as I said before I would pick a 12G next, but ammo starts to become heavy, but with slugs, buckshot and birdshot there is nothing I can hunt and eat. But when SHTF all my rifles are part of my bug out trailer so all angles are covered, but if I had to pick the one dan do survival calibre the 22LR wins hands down, sure a 30cal will be way more efficient at longer ranges if you are good enough to use it, better to stop a human threat, but do you think human skin is that thick that a 22LR won't kill them?

The good old saying bigger is better does not apply to hunting, maybe a Hollywood porno, but not in the bush.

Here are few videos, NOT TO BE DONE PRE SHTF, but in a survival situation it will do if you use a 40g hollow point.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW2C3exp0R4#)

And another one if you eat bacon.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjzpLN46nOo#)

End of the day if you can shoot well enough and place a 22LR in the right spot it will kill most game in Australia, when I go bush I see way more small game then deer or roo, unless you can preserve all that deer/roo meat it will go off.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Smurphy on May 05, 2017, 07:33:04 pm
Like to think I can use a .22 as well . Won the juniour state title once. Got coached by Allan Murray, the bloke at tse. Using a standard cz. So I know all about rimfires. Didn't mean to make another post where people just argue, but do not insinuate that I have watched too many movies. I have spent nearly 20 years of my life living in a swag. Eating vegies plus what we shot. Granted mostly cattle, but have also spent months living with some abo mates, no guns, no grog. Pretty sure that left on my own, I would rather a bit bigger gun than a 22. Ever been stranded on about a 90acre island with just 2 dogs and some 243 rounds for a few weeks, waiting for the floodwater to go down? So no, I haven't just watched too many movies. Just because someone disagrees with you, dont have a veiled go at them. Just asking a question. I respect your choice, just disagree. Cheers.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Smurphy on May 05, 2017, 07:40:14 pm
And you obviously realise you van shoot lr in a magnum?
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Arkane on May 05, 2017, 07:43:55 pm
.22LR is fine most of the time but not everything will let you get close enough to use a .22LR esp if there is some hunting pressure being applied!

The .223R is the most ideal in my mind, it extends your useable range out to several hundred meters, recoil is mild, it can be loaded down to .22Magnum velocities or used full power to drop anything that walks this continent with a little care in shot placement!

Only used one gun to hunt for the last 30 years! Howa .223R with 26in heavy barrel. a little heavy I know but every shot has hit its target that's 100% kills. I see little room for improvement there!
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 05, 2017, 07:44:36 pm
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Like to think I can use a .22 as well . Won the juniour state title once. Got coached by Allan Murray, the bloke at tse. Using a standard cz. So I know all about rimfires. Didn't mean to make another post where people just argue, but do not insinuate that I have watched too many movies. I have spent nearly 20 years of my life living in a swag. Eating vegies plus what we shot. Granted mostly cattle, but have also spent months living with some abo mates, no guns, no grog. Pretty sure that left on my own, I would rather a bit bigger gun than a 22. Ever been stranded on about a 90acre island with just 2 dogs and some 243 rounds for a few weeks, waiting for the floodwater to go down? So no, I haven't just watched too many movies. Just because someone disagrees with you, dont have a veiled go at them. Just asking a question. I respect your choice, just disagree. Cheers.

Now don't get all defensive, you posted a general question/psot I provided my view and was not having a go at you in any way, but did make a reference to so many wankers I have heard about and met along the way that think the bigger the cal the better. I am sure you are a great shooter and know your stuff, especially when you say you have lived in the bush, I have met some great shooters, but that was  at a range sitting down in a controlled surroundings, took them bush and my mom can shoot better. I first most come from an archery background, and seeing an arrow has a limited distance you learn all about shot placement and stalking, when I was in the middle east I have seen camel humpers get hit by AK47 and 223 and did not put them down and kept coming, and no they weren't on ice or the likes, they weren't shot in a vital spot, and the same applies to hunting, hence my choice for the one can do it all the 22LR, sure a 308 will drop something harder, but have seen plenty of hunting situations where things were shoot even with a 338 Lapua and the game kept running all due terrible shot placement, and again I have to say it, bigger calibre does not make for a better shot or for better odds in dropping game where it stands, miss with an atomic bomb and it is still a miss same for bullets. Famous old bloke from the US mr.Bear (bow maker) dropped an elephant on the spot with one single shot from a bow! All about shot placement. Hope you did not take this response the wrong way either  :)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 05, 2017, 07:53:17 pm
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.22LR is fine most of the time but not everything will let you get close enough to use a .22LR esp if there is some hunting pressure being applied!

The .223R is the most ideal in my mind, it extends your useable range out to several hundred meters, recoil is mild, it can be loaded down to .22Magnum velocities or used full power to drop anything that walks this continent with a little care in shot placement!

Only used one gun to hunt for the last 30 years! Howa .223R with 26in heavy barrel. a little heavy I know but every shot has hit its target that's 100% kills. I see little room for improvement there!

Yeah you make a valid point about the pressure shot, but I hunted with a compound for years and a 22LR has way more range and is easier to hit the right spot with then with a compound bow and I don't have to stalk as close as with a compound, well in my case anyway. I agree about downloading the 223, and I am sure you seen my lengthy post about the subsonic loads in 308 and 30-30 I played around with, and you are correct as even my 308 and 30-30 with Trail Boss will perform great on smaller game. But walking on foot in the bush post SHTF I rather carry a few kilos of 22LR vs the same weight in 30 cal or 223, as I would have way more of them and my 22LR rifles are so light to carry around. BUt it also depends where you are located, live in open areas then yeah I can see the need for a bit longer shooting calibre, but here in Victoria especially east Gippsland the bush is thick and heavy, I hardly ever take a shot longer than 50m, but can understand living in a diff location with diff terrain may need a 223 or sub 30 cal, but for me where I am located a 22LR will drop a deer/roo and take small game all day long.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 05, 2017, 07:55:19 pm
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.22LR is fine most of the time but not everything will let you get close enough to use a .22LR esp if there is some hunting pressure being applied!

The .223R is the most ideal in my mind, it extends your useable range out to several hundred meters, recoil is mild, it can be loaded down to .22Magnum velocities or used full power to drop anything that walks this continent with a little care in shot placement!

Only used one gun to hunt for the last 30 years! Howa .223R with 26in heavy barrel. a little heavy I know but every shot has hit its target that's 100% kills. I see little room for improvement there!

I did forget to mention, I know have more subsonic loads for my 30cal as it is plenty of knock down power for anything I need, still have some full power loads but it is overkill and only load subbies in 30cal now.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Smurphy on May 05, 2017, 08:04:19 pm
Yeah mate, I can also see your point, obviously different game and conditions will decree what is tour preferred weapon, and like yourself, I would hate to be stuck with just one. What scope do tou run on your 22? In the market as we speak for a new 22, would love a lithgow, but might be a bit heavy for the missus. Would also love another cz, but unless I got a yourh model, the barrel is a pain in the arse when carried with a sling. Have only heard good things about savage rimfires, you are obviously happy with yours?
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 05, 2017, 08:20:32 pm
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Yeah mate, I can also see your point, obviously different game and conditions will decree what is tour preferred weapon, and like yourself, I would hate to be stuck with just one. What scope do tou run on your 22? In the market as we speak for a new 22, would love a lithgow, but might be a bit heavy for the missus. Would also love another cz, but unless I got a yourh model, the barrel is a pain in the arse when carried with a sling. Have only heard good things about savage rimfires, you are obviously happy with yours?

I bought a few hundred of these some years ago in a close out sale in the US https://www.amazon.com/BARSKA-6-24x44-Extreme-Tactical-Riflescope/dp/B001JJCHCA/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1493978778&sr=1-3&keywords=barska+6x+24 (https://www.amazon.com/BARSKA-6-24x44-Extreme-Tactical-Riflescope/dp/B001JJCHCA/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1493978778&sr=1-3&keywords=barska+6x+24) sold all of them but kept 2 for myself, a bit on the heavy side, but 30mm tube very clear out to 20x power but not any further then that. I have one on my Savage 22LR FVSR and works great, tend to leave it on 6x zoom most times sometimes use it out to 12x zoom, but for the money they make for a good solid scope, the other is on my single shot 30-30 that also wears a behind the scope night vision setup, good thing about the single shot I can easily use a full power 160ftx pill or a subsonic load when out at night and works great as well.

I am a bit of a Savage fan due to their great trigger that the whole world is still trying to copy. I am also some one that does not like long barrels, the FVSR comes with a bull barrel fluted barrel that is only 16.5'' long so it is lightweight and compact, but check your states regs if you are allowed to own a 16.5 barrel, here in Vic it is fine. Savage has just released their new line of rimfires and they do a brand new version with a way better stock then the older FVSR's, the only downfall in my eyes as the older stock sucks, hence I made my own.

I also like the Ruger American rimfires, they do a very neat looking one with a green stock and shorter barrel. I have a bad addiction for anything 12G but love the 22LR, cheap to shoot, not much noise and recoil, although my 30cal subs I make now are as loud as a 22LR.

I have looked for the new FVSR on Cleavers website but it is not listed as yet but their other new 22LR rifles are and for just over $500 they are hard to beat, love mine, incredibly accurate even with cheap Winchester 555 ammo and get same hole accuracy with CCI min mags. LOts of great reviews on the FVSR on Youtube and has a great rep as well. But if I had to buy a new 22LR I would buy the new model as it now uses the same rotary mag like the Ruger American.

When it comes to scopes I am not a brand ho as most are made in China, get packaged and sold at inflated prices, although there are still some US made, but they cost a fair bit, I own a couple of Aliexpress scopes and yet to find something that failed or lost zero, especially on a 22LR due to no recoil. The best scope I own is some old old 4x fixed zoom scope I bought 30 years ago, cheap as shit but the glass is incredibly clear, just would like more zoom due to getting more grey hair hehe.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Smurphy on May 05, 2017, 08:34:05 pm
Yeah thanks mate. Also not a scope snob. Have had a fixed khales, bought new, rattle to absolute pieces, like the crosshair was gone, and a simmons I had mounted on my "backup gun" went everywhere the khales did. Main rifle was a sako 75 , stainless, bull barrel, all the goodies. Backup gun was a ss howa. About 1200 difference. Sold the sako, they are no doubt beautiful guns, but for a working gun, just bought another howa. As you obviously have realised, its all cool to have nice shit, but unless its more rugged or reliable, well thats just money better spent in other ways.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 05, 2017, 08:39:27 pm
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Yeah thanks mate. Also not a scope snob. Have had a fixed khales, bought new, rattle to absolute pieces, like the crosshair was gone, and a simmons I had mounted on my "backup gun" went everywhere the khales did. Main rifle was a sako 75 , stainless, bull barrel, all the goodies. Backup gun was a ss howa. About 1200 difference. Sold the sako, they are no doubt beautiful guns, but for a working gun, just bought another howa. As you obviously have realised, its all cool to have nice shit, but unless its more rugged or reliable, well thats just money better spent in other ways.

I believe in you get what you pay for, but to a point. Luckily these days there is plenty of online reviews about to help you make the correct choice, but have taken a change with some China made scopes under $100 and surprised me how well they have held up, and most have lockable torrents and 30mm tubes and very clear glass. Rifles are something I tend to read about about a bit more, but are there really some new terrible rifles on the market? I doubt it, but again quality can be an issue with cheaper brands/models hence Youtube is always great to look what others think about a rifle or the like.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: doomsdayprepper4570 on May 06, 2017, 06:44:24 am
Firstly I love centrefires for longer shots, but for most of my general shooting in aus in the last 40
years my EDC has been a 22rf with a can. That would be my choice. usually a 4-12 AO leopold as my eyes are
not what they usta be. Yes you can blow the shit out of a large game at 300 meters with your
earzesplittenzeloudenboomen where I can not. But I am fit and able bodied and like the stalk up close to see
what else is there before giving whatever it is the headshot. I also use it for ducks, parrots, pidgeons, goannas
, roos, wallabies, rabbits, hares, etc etc. I would be eating pigeon for dinner and you would be eating feathers
if you shoot birds with a centrefire! It is easy to pull the lead from a 22 round to get powder to help start fires as well. If you BMI is on the upper limit like most people today then you want to have something a bit lighter to
carry as well. All the blowing and hot air will do you no good carrying a 13lb rifle all day long!
The most important thing as well as Suzi Quatro sung is "Can the can" :o ;)
Silence is golden :-*
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 09:34:03 am
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Firstly I love centrefires for longer shots, but for most of my general shooting in aus in the last 40
years my EDC has been a 22rf with a can. That would be my choice. usually a 4-12 AO leopold as my eyes are
not what they usta be. Yes you can blow the shit out of a large game at 300 meters with your
earzesplittenzeloudenboomen where I can not. But I am fit and able bodied and like the stalk up close to see
what else is there before giving whatever it is the headshot. I also use it for ducks, parrots, pidgeons, goannas
, roos, wallabies, rabbits, hares, etc etc. I would be eating pigeon for dinner and you would be eating feathers
if you shoot birds with a centrefire! It is easy to pull the lead from a 22 round to get powder to help start fires as well. If you BMI is on the upper limit like most people today then you want to have something a bit lighter to
carry as well. All the blowing and hot air will do you no good carrying a 13lb rifle all day long!
The most important thing as well as Suzi Quatro sung is "Can the can" :o ;)
Silence is golden :-*

The mighty true can do it all 22LR, and you made a great point pulling the lead out for powder, very very valid point! I am 6'4' and a huge mother humper and strenght is not a problem, but the one thing I hate when a rifle becomes fat after walking around with it, one of the things I don't like with my HW77 (although a great rifle), I forgot to add to the mix a potent air rifle, it will take every small critter in the bush, there are even videos around of earshots on porkies and will kill them if shot placement is spot on, but 22LR or as you said RF, if only we could have a semi 22  :)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Arkane on May 06, 2017, 09:56:13 am
I would agree with the rimfire bit under most situations but where one might be dealing with angry/desperate bipeds
the rimfire don't cut the mustard very well at all!

Against bipeds you need every ace you can get!
And I am under no illusion that I am superior to them, I would be assuming they are better than me in most respects!
Limiting my usefull range to about 100m is not something I would expect to give me an edge over my opponent!

What can Mr Rimfire do against Mr Centrefire when he has you pinned down from 300m out?

Remember that the first time you lose is the last time you lose when TSHTF
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: graynomad on May 06, 2017, 10:21:25 am
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The most important thing as well as Suzi Quatro sung is "Can the can" :o ;)
Silence is golden :-*

Amen to that, and I always was a fan of Suzi Q. :)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 10:25:25 am
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I would agree with the rimfire bit under most situations but where one might be dealing with angry/desperate bipeds
the rimfire don't cut the mustard very well at all!

Against bipeds you need every ace you can get!
And I am under no illusion that I am superior to them, I would be assuming they are better than me in most respects!
Limiting my usefull range to about 100m is not something I would expect to give me an edge over my opponent!

What can Mr Rimfire do against Mr Centrefire when he has you pinned down from 300m out?

Remember that the first time you lose is the last time you lose when TSHTF

Well if it comes to a shite fight I would bring and prefer the biggest boom stick, but in my case, where I bug out 100m shots are hard to do without hitting a tree or a few of them. And one of the main reasons I have picked my bug out spot besides lots of bush tucker around, it is isolated to insure I would never ever come across some one. For those that bug in then yes bigger may be better, but seeing the post was for walking around in the bush, and in my case it would cut out eaters/sheeples a 22LR for survival will do just fine. But even if I would come across a threat and I am the one to see them first and would have to make the choice to give them lead poisoning, they would drop where they stand with a 22LR, a 40g hollowpoint will inflict so much damage to brain tissue, now if it comes to a shoot out I hope the opposition knows how to pull the trigger fast and accurate with something that has lots of recoil and can get  at least one bullet on target, as I have seen many a situations whilst in the middle east where several shooters took multiple shots with semi autos at less than 100m and all missed a walking target, and I am convinced it is why military makes semi or auto weapons to increase the change of a hit, think about the ''spray and prey concept''. Hopefully none of the preppers on here will ever have to think about a shoot out, I have done it and seen the aftermath, even the stone cold types like me always kinda felt bad even for mozzies, but live by the saying, better them than me!

But this post is more for walking in the bush as in a survival situation, I took it as looking for game to hunt, not as a fire fight post, if it was to be a mix of the 2, then I would pick a 12G with 00/SG or even the FBI number one man stopper pick number 4 buck (reload them), out to 50m a few fast half aimed shots will hit what I would be aiming at. BUt again I will say it, the post is out in the bush as a survival hunting/food gather situation, my bug out will probably never see any humans, so a 22LR is my pick to feed myself. I am not sure if others have done it, but I have had many outings at night looking for game, and with my night vision setup and the cover of darkness I can just about get with in touching distance to some game, possums only need a spotlight at best, roo's are just as dumb, deer with even a red light are very easily spotted and stalked, so a well placed shot with a 22LR will insure I never go hungry. I think it all depends on your location/terrain I guess.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Arkane on May 06, 2017, 11:17:24 am
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Righto guys and gals,you are bugging out on foot. You can carry 1 (yes ONE. No but ifs.) Firearm, that you own, or plan to own shortly. Legally. Whats everyone packing?

Bugging out is bugging out!
I will stick with my .223R at 4kg plus 5kg (400rds) of ammo
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Bugging out is bugging out!
I will stick with my .223R at 4kg plus 5kg (400rds) of ammo

What scope would you have on it?  :)
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Righto guys and gals,you are bugging out on foot. You can carry 1 (yes ONE. No but ifs.) Firearm, that you own, or plan to own shortly. Legally. Whats everyone packing?

Bugging out is bugging out!
I will stick with my .223R at 4kg plus 5kg (400rds) of ammo

What scope would you have on it?  :)

A compact variable with 2-4x minimum and a 12-16x maximum! normally carried set on minimum setting!

( A scope should be suited to the targets but fitted to the rifle! if a rifle changes its main use the choice of scope should be reviewed to suit the new targets! )
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 11:42:40 am
Yeah good choice, I use a 2-x7 with long eye relief on my 308 scout, and more zoom on my 22LR and single shot 30-30, but only a 1.25-5x on my air rifle, and open sights (aftermarket) on my lever 30-30, red dot or open on my shotties.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Arkane on May 06, 2017, 02:34:38 pm
Few shooters realise or even accept that a scope should be suited to the target and not the rifle!
Factors to be taken into account are target distance, size, field of view, mobility and light.

Lets take rabbits for example, distance will be for a .22LR 100m max at 1x they get a bit hard to see but 4-6x is good
as you can see the rabbit and its surrounds so if it takes a hop or two you can still see it to retarget it! no worries nice and quick

but at 25m and 4-6x all you really see is the rabbit! if it takes a hop or two you loose tight of it and it takes some time to re-acquire your rabbit target and you may loose sight of it altogether, this is where a lower magnification comes in handy as at 25m 1-2x is all that is needed and small movements can easily be tracked without loosing sight of your target!
So for a rimfire at rabbits a 2-6 or 8x scope is about right with the minimum power being the most important and a crosshair thick enough to see in most lights but not so thick to obscure the target!
Quality is up to the one who pays! :) but the better the quality the better!

Using the same principles for say a 30-30 for pigs at 25m to 200m you would use about the same scope as above but you might want to consider the low power to be 1-1.5x for mr piggy at 25m or less as that lower power will allow better and quicker shot placement.

That's enough spoon feeding for now ;)

Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 02:42:34 pm
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Few shooters realise or even accept that a scope should be suited to the target and not the rifle!
Factors to be taken into account are target distance, size, field of view, mobility and light.

Lets take rabbits for example, distance will be for a .22LR 100m max at 1x they get a bit hard to see but 4-6x is good
as you can see the rabbit and its surrounds so if it takes a hop or two you can still see it to retarget it! no worries nice and quick

but at 25m and 4-6x all you really see is the rabbit! if it takes a hop or two you loose tight of it and it takes some time to re-acquire your rabbit target and you may loose sight of it altogether, this is where a lower magnification comes in handy as at 25m 1-2x is all that is needed and small movements can easily be tracked without loosing sight of your target!
So for a rimfire at rabbits a 2-6 or 8x scope is about right with the minimum power being the most important and a crosshair thick enough to see in most lights but not so thick to obscure the target!
Quality is up to the one who pays! :) but the better the quality the better!

Using the same principles for say a 30-30 for pigs at 25m to 200m you would use about the same scope as above but you might want to consider the low power to be 1-1.5x for mr piggy at 25m or less as that lower power will allow better and quicker shot placement.

That's enough spoon feeding for now ;)

I don't agree all that often with, but can't argue your spoonfeeding, this time  :D My Savage 22LR has a scope that goes to 24x zoom, never use it at most 10x does fine out to 100m but most times have it sitting on the minimum zoom of 6x, I can't remember the last time I took a shot beyond 100m at game as I tend to stalk like I did when using a compound and due to heavy bush covering most game I hunt, but do use more zoom for punching paper.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gun-nut on May 06, 2017, 02:45:00 pm
I would stick to the humble .303, you can use larger pills for heavier game or you could load some cartridges with some .312 .32cal projectiles for small game. It is really quite versatile if you know what your doing. As to the .22lr, I think its a great choice for hunting small game, but not much else. Even with perfect shot placement, there will always be that chance that what you shoot doesn't go down. And being here in Aus, we don't have the privileged of having semi-autos, therefore your first shot really has to count.

Then there's the problem of self defence (against wild animals or other people) I wouldn't feel as confident defending myself with a .22 than I would with a .303, .308, .223 or some other capable center-fire. This video seems to give some great insight on the this topic also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2wEHOLpv5c&t=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2wEHOLpv5c&t=1)

.22s have their merrits but I think your given more versatility with a center-fire, especially if your only going to have one rifle on you. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 02:50:15 pm
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I would stick to the humble .303, you can use larger pills for heavier game or you could load some cartridges with some .312 .32cal projectiles for small game. It is really quite versatile if you know what your doing. As to the .22lr, I think its a great choice for hunting small game, but not much else. Even with perfect shot placement, there will always be that chance that what you shoot doesn't go down. And being here in Aus, we don't have the privileged of having semi-autos, therefore your first shot really has to count.

Then there's the problem of self defence (against wild animals or other people) I wouldn't feel as confident defending myself with a .22 than I would with a .303, .308, .223 or some other capable center-fire. This video seems to give some great insight on the this topic also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2wEHOLpv5c&t=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2wEHOLpv5c&t=1)

.22s have their merrits but I think your given more versatility with a center-fire, especially if your only going to have one rifle on you. Just my 2 cents.

I reload both 308 and 30-30 with Trail Boss at around 1300fps, noise is about the same as a 22LR and about the same recoil wise, but still would pick a 22LR, I always see way more small game then bigger, and sheeples will know it when hit with a 22.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 03:00:17 pm
22lr @ 75 yard ! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFG3s4pm6qE#)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 03:03:38 pm
And some more although this bloke is taking it way too far out for my liking ! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1r_444CY#) and this bloke his been where I have been and knows what a bullet does to a human target. Besides using the words SHTF survival and prepping a 22LR will kill if you know where to put it.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Arkane on May 06, 2017, 05:11:15 pm
Yes the .22 will kill but in most probability it will be a slow kill and it wont stop them attacking you if they are!
OK from a fortified position!

But did you notice the group sizes!!!! ok if they are wearing red and white and openly marching towards you!
most targets will be a few inches of head above a log or round a corner etc! so accuracy counts!
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 07:01:43 pm
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Yes the .22 will kill but in most probability it will be a slow kill and it wont stop them attacking you if they are!
OK from a fortified position!

But did you notice the group sizes!!!! ok if they are wearing red and white and openly marching towards you!
most targets will be a few inches of head above a log or round a corner etc! so accuracy counts!

I did say earlier as part of that video, he was taking it way too far for my liking, I am sure they know the lack of accuracy at those distances, it was more to see at extreme distances for a 22LR what damage it would still do. I would not even contemplate a shot with a 22LR past 100m, although off hand standing I can still get 1MOA with the right ammo, but that's in good conditions, forget it when its windy, but up and just 100m an head shot is no problem. I have really thought a 22mag but just don't see the use for it, sure again more punch, but I think if I would make that next step if I did not have 30cal at subsonic speeds I would go with the 223, still cheaper to reload then a 22mag factory ammo, but my 30cal subby loads are already doing what I want.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: doomsdayprepper4570 on May 06, 2017, 07:05:50 pm
At 300 meters with a 22rf, winchester subsonic ammo and a can I can consistantly hit bread and butter plate!
Not to upset anyone, but you would get tagged and still not have a clue where the shot came from!
A couple more into the torso and I do not think the range of the 223 would be a real concern.
It is about stealth and accuracy with no audible telltale sign of gunfire.
Ask any reg what it is like being shot at by a concealed shooter using a can in heavy cover.
As my old dad usta say, shit is trumps! ;) (oh, not meaning bullshit either, rather the wet type contained into the panties variety) :P
No offence to yall. :-[
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Smurphy on May 06, 2017, 07:37:42 pm
You must be one hell of a marksman, or else have a scope with some pretty wicked adjustments. Something like 5ft drop at 300.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 07:42:43 pm
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You must be one hell of a marksman, or else have a scope with some pretty wicked adjustments. Something like 5ft drop at 300.

I use Kentucky windage!
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: odzy on May 06, 2017, 07:51:52 pm
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You must be one hell of a marksman, or else have a scope with some pretty wicked adjustments. Something like 5ft drop at 300.

I use Kentucky windage!
Your KFC windage may not work all the time it's like a lottery  :P :P
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Smurphy on May 06, 2017, 07:53:06 pm
So we have pretty much narrowed it down to 2 camps, cf and rf. Cool to hear everyones takes, especially the terrain people plan on bugging out to. Here it's semi open country, should be able to stay well comcealed, but will have to cross open country at times. Hence the choice of a 308.. I  can cart about 80 rounds on me when fully mobile, and have set up my dog to carry a couple hundred more .
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Smurphy on May 06, 2017, 07:57:33 pm
Anyone got any pics of their current go to gun?
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: odzy on May 06, 2017, 07:59:03 pm
In the event of on the move I also opted out for my trusty Sako .308 and about 300 rounds of ammo  ;)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 08:10:24 pm
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Anyone got any pics of their current go to gun?

All of mine were on here but sure I deleted all the photos by now, I did a cerakote post on here as I went all mad and cerakoted the lot of them.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 08:15:41 pm
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You must be one hell of a marksman, or else have a scope with some pretty wicked adjustments. Something like 5ft drop at 300.

I use Kentucky windage!
Your KFC windage may not work all the time it's like a lottery  :P :P

I have had some good success with hold overs, easy done with mildots, somewhat trickier with a red dot on a 12G shooting slugs. But I tend to stalk to get in close, did it for years with my compound bows (still have 1 of them), but anything out to 100m and there is no need for it. I have a bush range setup in state forest that is about 20 min from my house here in the country but even there I struggle with the thick bush, about the same where I bug out 50m shots are the norm most times. I have used hold overs a lot with my HW77 and works really well.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: odzy on May 06, 2017, 08:31:44 pm
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Anyone got any pics of their current go to gun?

Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 08:33:57 pm
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Anyone got any pics of their current go to gun?

Thats to purdy to shoot  ;)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: odzy on May 06, 2017, 08:35:26 pm
It's so light to carry and that's all I care  :P
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 08:39:59 pm
I sold this 1 last year, then got a Howa 308, found out the Savage scout was up for sale and bought it back for half what I sold it for hehe and sold the Howa and even made money on that. It now runs a long eye relief scout scope with LaRue one piece mount, the scope as per photo is now on my H#R 30-30 single shot.

Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: odzy on May 06, 2017, 08:43:02 pm
Love that tan colour  8)  My TRG M10 is in that coyote tan colour  ;)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 08:46:05 pm
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Love that tan colour  8)  My TRG M10 is in that coyote tan colour  ;)

It is Flat Dark Earth, I cerakoted all my rifles in it, great stuff, not cheap but nothing will take it off and was a fun project applying it last year. I even did my Adler in it with a digital camo pattern on top as per my hunting outfit.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: odzy on May 06, 2017, 08:51:21 pm
good job looks nice   8)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 08:52:43 pm
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good job looks nice   8)

THX  ;D
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Arkane on May 06, 2017, 10:10:06 pm
I would not base my rifle on any particular terrain as you might just find yourself in completely different terrain! ;D
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 10:18:15 pm
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I would not base my rifle on any particular terrain as you might just find yourself in completely different terrain! ;D

Damn you find an excuse for everything! But where I reside the terrain is pretty much the same for 100's of kilometers, hence Victoria is called the garden state, especially where I reside in far East Gippsland, bush that goes on for as far as the eye can see and then some, sure there are hills but every square inch is covered in bush. I have spent so much time gugging out already and have looked at every single scenario, and sure I have every angle covered, but could get there and break a leg on the first day, or a snake bite takes me out.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Smurphy on May 06, 2017, 10:45:11 pm
Would have to agree with arcane on this one. So the post is a bit off track. Show us your go to guns, or else just be another keyboard warrior.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 10:51:17 pm
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Would have to agree with arcane on this one. So the post is a bit off track. Show us your go to guns, or else just be another keyboard warrior.

Looks like not many want to show and tell  :(
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 10:53:21 pm
Here is another one of mine.

Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: OzHippy on May 06, 2017, 11:02:41 pm
Cheap $150 camo air rifle Hutsan - would not buy it again.  Air rife is light ammo can be carried by the thousands and the only guaranteed game in Australia no matter where you go is birds.
CZ 455 .22LR.
 
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GjtDwLLi2P0/maxresdefault.jpg)

(https://www.czub.cz/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/870x410/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/z/cz_455_thumbhole_kopie.png)




Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 06, 2017, 11:07:42 pm
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Cheap $150 camo air rifle Hutsan - would not buy it again.  Air rife is light ammo can be carried by the thousands and the only guaranteed game in Australia no matter where you go is birds.
CZ 455 .22LR.
 
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GjtDwLLi2P0/maxresdefault.jpg)

(https://www.czub.cz/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/870x410/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/z/cz_455_thumbhole_kopie.png)

I agree with an air rifle, I have the HW7, rocksolid due to the Germans making it, I have about 10.000 pellets for it, and food wise your spot on, I could just live on birds alone, rabbits and possums, although this subject ay hand seems to be driven by some to just want to shoot the 2 legged variety.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: doomsdayprepper4570 on May 07, 2017, 06:41:45 am
Wife's toy!


My edc! (without the bipod)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: graynomad on May 07, 2017, 08:04:32 am
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Wife's toy!

Is that a drum mag Russ? I have a mate that has one (somewhere), if he can find it I can buy it.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 07, 2017, 09:57:28 am
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Wife's toy!

Is that a drum mag Russ? I have a mate that has one (somewhere), if he can find it I can buy it.

Grenade launcher?   ;D
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: doomsdayprepper4570 on May 07, 2017, 11:08:23 am
No comment! ;)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: doomsdayprepper4570 on May 07, 2017, 11:15:52 am
Single shot H and R heart stopper.
400gn custom proji @ 1000 fps groups 1 inch at 100 meters.
Oh, yeah trajectory is curved but who the fug cares, spot on at 75 meters!
Stocks were available at cleavers all other custom work err, no comment ;)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: doomsdayprepper4570 on May 07, 2017, 11:19:53 am
Had a digital night vision scope on it for a while.
Got a mod on the seating die that allows me to drill the proji out as well with adjustable depth.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 07, 2017, 11:44:54 am
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Single shot H and R heart stopper.
400gn custom proji @ 1000 fps groups 1 inch at 100 meters.
Oh, yeah trajectory is curved but who the fug cares, spot on at 75 meters!
Stocks were available at cleavers all other custom work err, no comment ;)

Like mine in 30-30, light and fun to shoot.

Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 07, 2017, 11:57:39 am
I bought one of these the other day and should be here in a few weeks, needed the comb/cheek adjustment and the shock aid will help the full 160g ftx recoil somewhat.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-GL-Shock-CP-Fab-Defense-Tan-Mil-Spec-Shock-Absorbing-Buttstock-W-CP-/161777612304?hash=item25aab27610:g:ilEAAOSwjVVVs8LM (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-GL-Shock-CP-Fab-Defense-Tan-Mil-Spec-Shock-Absorbing-Buttstock-W-CP-/161777612304?hash=item25aab27610:g:ilEAAOSwjVVVs8LM)

And have a better grip coming for it as well. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Tactical-Target-Sniper-Motor-Grip-Shelf-Rear-Pistol-Grip-5-56-223-AEG-Airsoft-/291986740112?hash=item43fbc41390:g:DPsAAOSwEzxYZqjg (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Tactical-Target-Sniper-Motor-Grip-Shelf-Rear-Pistol-Grip-5-56-223-AEG-Airsoft-/291986740112?hash=item43fbc41390:g:DPsAAOSwEzxYZqjg)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Blackheart1916 on May 07, 2017, 12:00:42 pm
I really really love my .223, but if one only, I would have to take the .22. Better portability of gun and ammo, easy to carry and swing, and can shoot it all day long.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Gippsland-Prepper on May 07, 2017, 12:01:41 pm
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I really really love my .223, but if one only, I would have to take the .22. Better portability of gun and ammo, easy to carry and swing, and can shoot it all day long.

 ;)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: doomsdayprepper4570 on May 12, 2017, 08:28:52 pm
Ditto cept leave my 222 rem in a safe place! ;)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Mirage on July 29, 2017, 07:02:31 am
In a scenario where one is evacuating their usual location (the scenario in original question) ... presumably they are doing so because they are coming under intense pressure from their fellow bipeds.
So, while I dearly love my Anschutz .22 it would be my second choice ... I'd take my Sako .308 instead.  Rabbits, fish and birds are obtainable without resorting to rifles.  I am still fit enough (just) to run down a sheep. I'd be walking up north into the central deserts where I have plenty of prior on-ground experience.  So ... What I want to be carrying is a tool that is suitable for dealing with obstacles/surprises along the way and be efficient at putting down big meat.  Nice and dry up in the central deserts so can turn big meat into much jerky and only have to find and shoot a beast just a few times a year. 

Under any other circumstances not involving threat from my own species ... I'd take the .22

 
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: odzy on July 29, 2017, 07:44:11 am
Same with me...  Sako 308 anytime  ;)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: doomsdayprepper4570 on July 30, 2017, 09:30:47 am
Ok, I am always on the covert side.
22 with accessories wins hands down.
Or 44 mag or 45-70 with same kit!
Can carry more 22 ammo is always the big bonus.
Try carrying 500 rounds of 08 for a while and get back to me!
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: graynomad on July 30, 2017, 10:13:29 pm
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Ok, I am always on the covert side.
22 with accessories wins hands down.
Or 44 mag or 45-70 with same kit!
...

I've always preferred a covert approach as well regardless of any SHTF influence, and after this weekend even more so as the very loud reports of my companions gun attracted some unwanted interest.

22 and 45-70 are looking like my hunting rounds of choice (might talk to you about the 45-70 one day Russ) but I've just been offered a swap of a 30-30 Marlin for one of my shotties. 30-30 was not really on my list but it might be now.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Arkane on July 30, 2017, 10:42:59 pm
The .22LR sounds real good as a survival gun but not if you get into any sort of fire fight that is not under your control!
With the .22LR your effective range is about 100m and your harassing range is about 300m

Not much chop if the opponent has a decent centrefire like a .223R or more with an effective range of about 400m and a harassing range of 800m
They can engage with accurate fire beyond your harassing range!

Your opponent chooses the place and time of the encounter but you with just a .22LR then cede firepower to them!
If its a card game you just gave them a third ace and the only one left is smarts but you just gave them one ace so are more than likely to cede that one also!

Being a little hungry is one thing but being dead is a lot worse!
Sneaking up close on game is one thing doing the same on an armed opponent is another!
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: odzy on July 31, 2017, 12:17:02 am
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Try carrying 500 rounds of 08 for a while and get back to me!
I know...  I just hope not having to leave my place then I don't have to carry that load ;)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: grenadier on July 31, 2017, 05:59:40 am
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Sneaking up close on game is one thing doing the same on an armed opponent is another!

Not at all sure I could go along with that. They don't call me Grenadier Lightfoot for nothing.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Arkane on July 31, 2017, 06:31:19 am
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Sneaking up close on game is one thing doing the same on an armed opponent is another!

Not at all sure I could go along with that. They don't call me Grenadier Lightfoot for nothing.

Well if that deer your hunting was carrying an AK I am sure you would not be sneaking any closer than you need to!  ;D

But then again if one is sneaky enough the rifle can be left at home and just the Bowie used! 8)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: grenadier on July 31, 2017, 07:00:02 am
Or a guitar string with handles.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Smurphy on July 31, 2017, 10:15:49 am
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In a scenario where one is evacuating their usual location (the scenario in original question) ... presumably they are doing so because they are coming under intense pressure from their fellow bipeds.
So, while I dearly love my Anschutz .22 it would be my second choice ... I'd take my Sako .308 instead.  Rabbits, fish and birds are obtainable without resorting to rifles.  I am still fit enough (just) to run down a sheep. I'd be walking up north into the central deserts where I have plenty of prior on-ground experience.  So ... What I want to be carrying is a tool that is suitable for dealing with obstacles/surprises along the way and be efficient at putting down big meat.  Nice and dry up in the central deserts so can turn big meat into much jerky and only have to find and shoot a beast just a few times a year. 

Under any other circumstances not involving threat from my own species ... I'd take the .22
Hey mate where were you in the desert and what were you up to? No offence to ANYONE bit I think people advocating a 22 have probably never lived in the bush. Like out of a swag.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 01, 2017, 03:40:19 am
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I'll probably say my Ruger Charger.

That's a really nice light little tool...yeah I just googled it :) needs an H class license though right?
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: graynomad on August 01, 2017, 04:09:11 am
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I'll probably say my Ruger Charger.

That's a really nice light little tool...yeah I just googled it :) needs an H class license though right?

Yes cat H. Not so light in a chassis but still OK.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 01, 2017, 04:11:04 am
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Got to disagree. A .22 is great fun to shoot, don't get me wrong, but wouldn't you at least pick a magnum? Sure they are quiet, but I would rather 1 shot and the animal goes down, than 4 or 5 and it still runs off. And yes, I am aware that shot placement is crucial above all else, but that will be pretty hard to come by once all of the animals wise up.


Magnum is harder to find when SHTF, 22LR is way more common. I can put a 22LR in the eye of anything out to 100m all day long with my FVSR, any one that thinks you need more than a 22LR to put down a critter up to deer/roo size has no idea about hunting a ammo ballistics, not terribly ethical but a 22LR will drop most things when shot. Tried shooting a rabbit with a 308? I have and forget trying to eat it, but I have reloaded my 308/30-30 in subsonic speeds and will do somewhat better for meat hunting on small critters, but carry 100 30 cal rounds as the same weight with a 22LR and you will have way more ammo. The under rated 22LR is still the leading cause of death around the world when it comes to human being shot with firearms, or at least up there in civilian mishaps. I have lost count of all them Rambo macho bullshite wankers that say I can deal and do anything with my 308 and don't care about recoil, the number one accuracy reason goes out of the window besides some on not knowing how to shoot or set up a rifle is, recoil! Less recoil the better shot placement. Now don't get me wrong I can get the same accuracy out of my Scout 308 as to my Savage 22LR, but the 22LR rifle weighs less, ammo weighs less and is way more versatile when it comes to hunting game, but that is post SHTF, I will and won't use a 22LR on deer or the likes as it is illegal, but when it comes to walking in the bush post SHTF the 22LR in the hands of a competent shooter will serve you longer and better than a 30cal, and as I said before I would pick a 12G next, but ammo starts to become heavy, but with slugs, buckshot and birdshot there is nothing I can hunt and eat. But when SHTF all my rifles are part of my bug out trailer so all angles are covered, but if I had to pick the one dan do survival calibre the 22LR wins hands down, sure a 30cal will be way more efficient at longer ranges if you are good enough to use it, better to stop a human threat, but do you think human skin is that thick that a 22LR won't kill them?

The good old saying bigger is better does not apply to hunting, maybe a Hollywood porno, but not in the bush.

Here are few videos, NOT TO BE DONE PRE SHTF, but in a survival situation it will do if you use a 40g hollow point.

! No longer available ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW2C3exp0R4#[/url])

And another one if you eat bacon.

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End of the day if you can shoot well enough and place a 22LR in the right spot it will kill most game in Australia, when I go bush I see way more small game then deer or roo, unless you can preserve all that deer/roo meat it will go off.




I know a farmer who has been shooting all his life (with many large calibers included) who only has a .22lr now and takes anything he needs to with it, but he has the skill to always put each bullet right behind the ear of larger animals
What do you think of the Ruger American Compact .22lr? And why do you prefer the Savage FVSR over all others? a .22lr will be my first purchase and I want a good highly accurate yet robust one, I'll have it tuned by a gunsmith, so if anyone can recommend a good gunsmith for highly accurate hunting rifles I'd greatly appreciate it
Also I emailed aussiehunter.org and he said he would choose a bolt .223 rem with soft point ammo as a single gun option in a complete lawless survival scenario, unless surviving up north where he said a .308 would be better
He said a short barreled .22lr as a second rifle would be good if weight wasn't a problem or if someone else was walking with you
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: PeteV on August 01, 2017, 08:17:23 am
Since I've only got one gun it'd have to be my Ruger American 22lr
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: rwa on August 01, 2017, 11:44:55 am
First time I've seen this post/scenario.

No brainer - a 22. You are on foot remember and you are bugging out. If you are bugging out you are limited to what you can carry and presumably you will have food, water and other essentials - enough to get you where you are going. Weight of 200 x 22's wont break your back - try carrying that many 308's?

A nice lightweight bolt action 22 like a Brno/CZ with a 2-7 Leupold and backup iron sights is about ideal. In fact anyone who doesn't have something similar anyway has rocks in their head.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Arkane on August 01, 2017, 12:32:12 pm
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First time I've seen this post/scenario.

No brainer - a 22. You are on foot remember and you are bugging out. If you are bugging out you are limited to what you can carry and presumably you will have food, water and other essentials - enough to get you where you are going. Weight of 200 x 22's wont break your back - try carrying that many 308's?

A nice lightweight bolt action 22 like a Brno/CZ with a 2-7 Leupold and backup iron sights is about ideal. In fact anyone who doesn't have something similar anyway has rocks in their head.

Arh but why is one bugging out??
If it is just zombies then a .22LR is the go
If it is armed bipeds or the like then you are way under-gunned and at a serious dis-advantage
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 01, 2017, 09:00:21 pm
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Since I've only got one gun it'd have to be my Ruger American 22lr

Don Caswell from aussiehunter.org specifically recommended a Ruger American Compact to me as the best .22lr rifle for survival purposes in Australia at this time, seems you chose well mate
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: bugoutbenny on August 01, 2017, 10:17:46 pm
My Ruger Gunsite Scout in .223 with a 3-10x42 Nightforce SHV bolted on :)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Arkane on August 01, 2017, 10:34:57 pm
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My Ruger Gunsite Scout in .223 with a 3-10x42 Nightforce SHV bolted on :)

Sorry but it aint a true "Scout" Rifle!
A scout rifle is .308W or larger is 1m or shorter in length and has a long eye relief low powered scope forward of the receiver opening!
Call it what you like same as the guys who sold it to you but it fails the definition test as a "Scout" rifle!

Still a nice rifle though :D

Oh and your bipod is on the wrong way round!
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: bugoutbenny on August 01, 2017, 11:01:38 pm
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My Ruger Gunsite Scout in .223 with a 3-10x42 Nightforce SHV bolted on :)

Sorry but it aint a true "Scout" Rifle!
A scout rifle is .308W or larger is 1m or shorter in length and has a long eye relief low powered scope forward of the receiver opening!
Call it what you like same as the guys who sold it to you but it fails the definition test as a "Scout" rifle!

Still a nice rifle though :D

Oh and your bipod is on the wrong way round!

2 points;

1. Weather its a "true" scout rifle or not, I couldnt give less of a fcuk or of your opinion :)
2. Most people mount bipods on these this way, use google again like you did to copy paste the definition of a "scout rifle"

Happy prepping
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 01, 2017, 11:46:23 pm
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My Ruger Gunsite Scout in .223 with a 3-10x42 Nightforce SHV bolted on :)

Sorry but it aint a true "Scout" Rifle!
A scout rifle is .308W or larger is 1m or shorter in length and has a long eye relief low powered scope forward of the receiver opening!
Call it what you like same as the guys who sold it to you but it fails the definition test as a "Scout" rifle!

Still a nice rifle though :D

Oh and your bipod is on the wrong way round!

2 points;

1. Weather its a "true" scout rifle or not, I couldnt give less of a fcuk or of your opinion :)
2. Most people mount bipods on these this way, use google again like you did to copy paste the definition of a "scout rifle"

Happy prepping

I like the scout rifle concept and put a lot of weight in the opinion and therefore specifications of Jeff Coopers, but it makes sense that everyone should tailor their survival rifle to their needs and situation, Australia is a different kettle of fish to the US
How do you find the smoothness of the bolt cycling on the gunsite scout? I've seen videos of the bolt being quite rough/catchy to cycle at speed?, although still very robust, I'm leaning more to .223 rem too, makes more sense for the average size of animals here imo, rather hump around the same number of .223 rounds than .308 in the Australian summer, or after weeks of insufficient food and sleep etc
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: bugoutbenny on August 02, 2017, 12:27:38 am
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My Ruger Gunsite Scout in .223 with a 3-10x42 Nightforce SHV bolted on :)

Sorry but it aint a true "Scout" Rifle!
A scout rifle is .308W or larger is 1m or shorter in length and has a long eye relief low powered scope forward of the receiver opening!
Call it what you like same as the guys who sold it to you but it fails the definition test as a "Scout" rifle!

Still a nice rifle though :D

Oh and your bipod is on the wrong way round!

2 points;

1. Weather its a "true" scout rifle or not, I couldnt give less of a fcuk or of your opinion :)
2. Most people mount bipods on these this way, use google again like you did to copy paste the definition of a "scout rifle"

Happy prepping

I like the scout rifle concept and put a lot of weight in the opinion and therefore specifications of Jeff Coopers, but it makes sense that everyone should tailor their survival rifle to their needs and situation, Australia is a different kettle of fish to the US
How do you find the smoothness of the bolt cycling on the gunsite scout? I've seen videos of the bolt being quite rough/catchy to cycle at speed?, although still very robust, I'm leaning more to .223 rem too, makes more sense for the average size of animals here imo, rather hump around the same number of .223 rounds than .308 in the Australian summer, or after weeks of insufficient food and sleep etc

Hi mate - Its a bit catchy yes but I've gotten used to how it operates now. I bought this rifle as an all rounder that I can use for targets up to 300m tops, ammo is cheaper and lighter than a 308 and for what I want to hit with it 223 or 308 wont matter. Looking for a long gun that I'll go 308 in for that kinda thing. A lot of my friends have .223 so its handy in that respect too (sharing ammo in times of need if required)...
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Arkane on August 02, 2017, 02:29:35 am
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My Ruger Gunsite Scout in .223 with a 3-10x42 Nightforce SHV bolted on :)

Sorry but it aint a true "Scout" Rifle!
A scout rifle is .308W or larger is 1m or shorter in length and has a long eye relief low powered scope forward of the receiver opening!
Call it what you like same as the guys who sold it to you but it fails the definition test as a "Scout" rifle!

Still a nice rifle though :D

Oh and your bipod is on the wrong way round!

2 points;

1. Weather its a "true" scout rifle or not, I couldnt give less of a fcuk or of your opinion :)
2. Most people mount bipods on these this way, use google again like you did to copy paste the definition of a "scout rifle"

Happy prepping

Why the rude/hate/anger in your reply ?  I was very civil in my post, seems you are not!

I cut and paste nothing ever! and sorry but most do not mount the bipod the wrong way round! legs should fold forward keeping the forestock clear for ones offhand use and so if slung over shoulder is wont dig furrows in ones back!
A rather simple concept and something a competent shooter would know but not those internet wannabees who think they know it all after just a few hours of internet research!

I will offer you no more info!

Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: bugoutbenny on August 02, 2017, 03:37:59 am
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My Ruger Gunsite Scout in .223 with a 3-10x42 Nightforce SHV bolted on :)

Sorry but it aint a true "Scout" Rifle!
A scout rifle is .308W or larger is 1m or shorter in length and has a long eye relief low powered scope forward of the receiver opening!
Call it what you like same as the guys who sold it to you but it fails the definition test as a "Scout" rifle!

Still a nice rifle though :D

Oh and your bipod is on the wrong way round!

2 points;

1. Weather its a "true" scout rifle or not, I couldnt give less of a fcuk or of your opinion :)
2. Most people mount bipods on these this way, use google again like you did to copy paste the definition of a "scout rifle"

Happy prepping

Why the rude/hate/anger in your reply ?  I was very civil in my post, seems you are not!

I cut and paste nothing ever! and sorry but most do not mount the bipod the wrong way round! legs should fold forward keeping the forestock clear for ones offhand use and so if slung over shoulder is wont dig furrows in ones back!
A rather simple concept and something a competent shooter would know but not those internet wannabees who think they know it all after just a few hours of internet research!

I will offer you no more info!

cool, as no info was requested ...

im sorry but i cant remember where i was asking members of the prepping world to advise me how to mount a bipod, or if my rifle lives up to its given name? i dont think that was the point of this thread?

google search the bipod mounting on the scout, it doesnt mount up very well the other way around (which would be my preference too). no need for comments about competency.. im sure i've slugged a rifle around in many places most havent... 

/rant :)

Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Arkane on August 02, 2017, 03:45:58 am
whatever!
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 02, 2017, 03:56:10 am
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My Ruger Gunsite Scout in .223 with a 3-10x42 Nightforce SHV bolted on :)

Sorry but it aint a true "Scout" Rifle!
A scout rifle is .308W or larger is 1m or shorter in length and has a long eye relief low powered scope forward of the receiver opening!
Call it what you like same as the guys who sold it to you but it fails the definition test as a "Scout" rifle!

Still a nice rifle though :D

Oh and your bipod is on the wrong way round!

2 points;

1. Weather its a "true" scout rifle or not, I couldnt give less of a fcuk or of your opinion :)
2. Most people mount bipods on these this way, use google again like you did to copy paste the definition of a "scout rifle"

Happy prepping

Why the rude/hate/anger in your reply ?  I was very civil in my post, seems you are not!

I cut and paste nothing ever! and sorry but most do not mount the bipod the wrong way round! legs should fold forward keeping the forestock clear for ones offhand use and so if slung over shoulder is wont dig furrows in ones back!
A rather simple concept and something a competent shooter would know but not those internet wannabees who think they know it all after just a few hours of internet research!

I will offer you no more info!

That's interesting about the direction the bipod folds, most bipods fold up towards the barrel, and keeping the forestock free for offhand use makes sense, but the Steyr Scout has a built in bipod which folds back up into the forestock? but when folded back it is flush forming part of the forestock, the Steyr is allegedly the only commercially made 'Scout' rifle that fits all the specifications of Jeff Cooper except in price as it's not considered sufficiently affordable enough, although it can also be purchased in 5.56 NATO which needs a slightly different chambering than .223 apparently
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: bugoutbenny on August 02, 2017, 04:12:26 am
ive looked at a few other bipods as im not totally happy with the one thats on there as i prefer forward fold, but seems most are going the other way on these gunsite scouts... google search shows the following...

Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 02, 2017, 04:30:26 am
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ive looked at a few other bipods as im not totally happy with the one thats on there as i prefer forward fold, but seems most are going the other way on these gunsite scouts... google search shows the following...


One of those pics shows the bipod folded forward, but most seem to fold to the rear, but this site was interesting as it seems to discuss pros and cons to both directions, allegedly Jeff Cooper preferred it folded to the rear too, once again I guess everyone has to do what works for them
http://m14forum.com/modern-m14/137510-bipod-rear-foward-folding-legs.html#/topics/137510 (http://m14forum.com/modern-m14/137510-bipod-rear-foward-folding-legs.html#/topics/137510)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 02, 2017, 04:55:01 am
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ive looked at a few other bipods as im not totally happy with the one thats on there as i prefer forward fold, but seems most are going the other way on these gunsite scouts... google search shows the following...

Nathan from ballisticstudies.com recommends just using a daypack as a rest while hunting inplace of a sandbag, awesome site
I emailed him asking what 'one gun' option he would choose for all survival situations including an invasion scenario etc and he said a short barreled .308 bolt action for the best balance of heat dispersion, terminal ballistics, mobility, cost and variety of ammunition and range, he said this is his 'hack' rifle, quite similar to the scout rifle specs actually
Although he has professionally hunted around the world and teaches/guides hunting in NZ, I still think the .223 is better for survival purposes OZ
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: bugoutbenny on August 02, 2017, 05:21:35 am
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ive looked at a few other bipods as im not totally happy with the one thats on there as i prefer forward fold, but seems most are going the other way on these gunsite scouts... google search shows the following...

Nathan from ballisticstudies.com recommends just using a daypack as a rest while hunting inplace of a sandbag, awesome site
I emailed him asking what 'one gun' option he would choose for all survival situations including an invasion scenario etc and he said a short barreled .308 bolt action for the best balance of heat dispersion, terminal ballistics, mobility, cost and variety of ammunition and range, he said this is his 'hack' rifle, quite similar to the scout rifle specs actually
Although he has professionally hunted around the world and teaches/guides hunting in NZ, I still think the .223 is better for survival purposes OZ

Yeah plus its cheaper so you can hoard more, I'm really liking the Aussie Outback 69gr in 223 its cheap and my rifle's just humming to it... $69 per 100 (69c a shot) I get it... similar 308 stuff is about $119 per 100 ($1.19 per shot)... add's up if you blast 100 rounds at least most weekends.... then hoarding on top..

If I cant kill what I need to from 150-250m with a 223 I deserve to die first :)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: rwa on August 02, 2017, 12:02:10 pm
Hey Dingodestiny

The 223 5.56 have identical chambers. The difference are several............

1. The brass on the milspec round is thicker in places (same with 7.62 Nato/.308 Win) and Mil brass will run higher pressures for the same load that you use in sporting brass.

2. Pressure - SAAMI specs, the standard by which all commercial ammo is loaded, is different. 223 civilian runs 50,000psi, 5.56 milspec is 60,000psi.

Big difference in pressure. This is why the military rounds seems to still deliver respectable ballistics in the 14.5 to 16.5 inch barrels of the M4's when all logic tells an experienced handloader it just ain't possible.

If you get hold of some genuine milspec ammo it is still safe to use in a sporter, any decent rifle will handle it.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 02, 2017, 12:53:49 pm
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Hey Dingodestiny

The 223 5.56 have identical chambers. The difference are several............

1. The brass on the milspec round is thicker in places (same with 7.62 Nato/.308 Win) and Mil brass will run higher pressures for the same load that you use in sporting brass.

2. Pressure - SAAMI specs, the standard by which all commercial ammo is loaded, is different. 223 civilian runs 50,000psi, 5.56 milspec is 60,000psi.

Big difference in pressure. This is why the military rounds seems to still deliver respectable ballistics in the 14.5 to 16.5 inch barrels of the M4's when all logic tells an experienced handloader it just ain't possible.

If you get hold of some genuine milspec ammo it is still safe to use in a sporter, any decent rifle will handle it.

Ah that's right thanks for the correction, 'chambering' was the wrong term, I remember reading something about the rifling starting slightly further along the barrel (throat?) with NATO rifles? But a 'wylde chambering' is officially safe to shoot both from?
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 02, 2017, 12:59:30 pm
Can anyone here recommend a good highly experienced gunsmith please?
Thanks for any suggestions
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: rwa on August 02, 2017, 01:16:52 pm
Kinda depends where you are and what you want done?
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 02, 2017, 08:58:34 pm
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Kinda depends where you are and what you want done?

I live in Melbourne, and would like help accurizing and choosing which specific robust bolt action hunting/survival rifles are most easily tuned/bedded etc from what's available at the time, essentially a consultant/agent on selecting what to buy and then doing the work on whatever I get to improve it as much as possible
Groups within 1 inche at 100yds is my line in the sand for centerfires, and someone equally handy at maximizing .22lrs too
Thanks



Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: rwa on August 02, 2017, 10:42:34 pm
Morning DD

What you want is pretty much available off the shelf. There are heaps of rifles that will do 1"x100 - some even guarantee it. For a start go for stainless with a synthetic stock. I run Kimber Montana's which I truly love (in 223, 7mm-08, 280 Ackley) and the 223 and 7mm-08 will easily better 3/4"for 5 shots off the bench. Stock standard - totally untouched except for adjusting the trigger. The 280 Ackley I am still working up loads for but already it has beaten 1" x 5 shots and there is still more improvement to come as I fine tune the loads. My 375H&H Kimber Talkeetna will beat 1" for 3 shots - also stock standard. I only shoot 3 shot groups with the 375 for 2 reasons - it kicks the snot outta me off the bench and the Grizzly I shoot with it will never know anyway! Everything else I shoot 5 shot groups. Kimbers are expensive - but beautifully balanced and SOOOOOO light!! The more birthdays you have the more you appreciate light weight and balanced rifles.

I have Sakos and a few Rem 7's and 700's that are also well inside your line in the sand but some have been bedded.

If you are on a budget have a look at the Howa Mini in 223 and the 1500 in the 308 class. I don't own one but a few mates who have bring them up to my place/range in the mountains to test loads and they will all meet your criteria.

My son loves Weatherby Ultralights - we do our own work downstairs in my machine shop and he has built some cracking rifles. Set a record in Melbourne using a 22 Dasher he built himself on a Rem Mod 7 that still stands I think.

Don't get yourself bamboozled by the many opinions - use the KISS principle. Decide what you want THEN go shop around. I don't know Melbourne at all but any decent gunshop down there will sell you a rifle and they will also have someone they farm out any machine/bedding/trigger work that needs doing to.

Oh, a 22 you mentioned too. A CZ 452 will probably shoot .5" at 50 all day long straight from the box but having a wooden stock there is always a chance it will be average (1") until properly bedded. I run old Brno Mod 1's but if I was buying a new 22 today I'd probably go for a stainless synthetic Ruger.

Hope this helps - feel free to send me a personal message if you like.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: PeteV on August 03, 2017, 11:05:29 am
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Since I've only got one gun it'd have to be my Ruger American 22lr

Don Caswell from aussiehunter.org specifically recommended a Ruger American Compact to me as the best .22lr rifle for survival purposes in Australia at this time, seems you chose well mate

I haven't got the compact & not a lot of shooting experience to compare to other rifles but, it is a great shooter & very comfortable cheers
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Mirage on August 04, 2017, 11:53:33 pm
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In a scenario where one is evacuating their usual location (the scenario in original question) ... presumably they are doing so because they are coming under intense pressure from their fellow bipeds.
So, while I dearly love my Anschutz .22 it would be my second choice ... I'd take my Sako .308 instead.  Rabbits, fish and birds are obtainable without resorting to rifles.  I am still fit enough (just) to run down a sheep. I'd be walking up north into the central deserts where I have plenty of prior on-ground experience.  So ... What I want to be carrying is a tool that is suitable for dealing with obstacles/surprises along the way and be efficient at putting down big meat.  Nice and dry up in the central deserts so can turn big meat into much jerky and only have to find and shoot a beast just a few times a year. 


Under any other circumstances not involving threat from my own species ... I'd take the .22
Hey mate where were you in the desert and what were you up to? No offence to ANYONE bit I think people advocating a 22 have probably never lived in the bush. Like out of a swag.

Tanami Desert to North Flinders Ranges and many places in between from 94 to 04. (extra info on my introduce yourself slot)
Spent so much time in a swag I now hate the damn things.
The Tanami stint was on an Aboriginal community doing 'land management' ... what a learning experience THAT was.  Those guys live by the rule that the best gun for the job is the one you have (whatever it is). Failing that, for small game, a wheel brace can get the job done. Don't be too harsh on the .22 enthusiasts ... I reckon a .22 has the merit of being extremely discreet. 


Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 05, 2017, 05:57:56 am
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In a scenario where one is evacuating their usual location (the scenario in original question) ... presumably they are doing so because they are coming under intense pressure from their fellow bipeds.
So, while I dearly love my Anschutz .22 it would be my second choice ... I'd take my Sako .308 instead.  Rabbits, fish and birds are obtainable without resorting to rifles.  I am still fit enough (just) to run down a sheep. I'd be walking up north into the central deserts where I have plenty of prior on-ground experience.  So ... What I want to be carrying is a tool that is suitable for dealing with obstacles/surprises along the way and be efficient at putting down big meat.  Nice and dry up in the central deserts so can turn big meat into much jerky and only have to find and shoot a beast just a few times a year. 


Under any other circumstances not involving threat from my own species ... I'd take the .22
Hey mate where were you in the desert and what were you up to? No offence to ANYONE bit I think people advocating a 22 have probably never lived in the bush. Like out of a swag.

Tanami Desert to North Flinders Ranges and many places in between from 94 to 04. (extra info on my introduce yourself slot)
Spent so much time in a swag I now hate the damn things.
The Tanami stint was on an Aboriginal community doing 'land management' ... what a learning experience THAT was.  Those guys live by the rule that the best gun for the job is the one you have (whatever it is). Failing that, for small game, a wheel brace can get the job done. Don't be too harsh on the .22 enthusiasts ... I reckon a .22 has the merit of being extremely discreet.

Not at all trying to contradict anyone here as I don't pretend to have much experience with hunting or war, but wouldn't a .223 Rem be a better compromise between a .22lr and a .308?, head shots on small game to preserve most of the meat on its body without blowing it's whole body apart, and neck/head shots on smaller species of deer to not risk unpredictable body shots which could result in the animal running off and being lost before it can be recovered because of poor shot placement? Plus professional roo shooters choose it (but spotlighting on light blinded Roos mainly?)so I would think it would be just right for wallaby, wombat, emu weight animals?
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 05, 2017, 06:12:02 am
Also, I know this would be cheating as this question is kind of suggesting two guns but, what do you all think of this extremely light 'take-down' single shot .22lr? Is it legal here in Australia? It weighs just under half a kilo, so if you had a larger caliber gun for bigger more dangerous game and this for small game then in total you'd have one slightly heavier gun, but with the effective versatility of 2?
https://www.packrifle.com (https://www.packrifle.com)
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/10/14/pack-rifle-review-22lr-review-17oz-felt-light/ (http://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/10/14/pack-rifle-review-22lr-review-17oz-felt-light/)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Arkane on August 05, 2017, 06:19:46 am
As one should not be alone
Have a buddy with another gun!

that makes two!
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 05, 2017, 06:26:55 am
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Morning DD

What you want is pretty much available off the shelf. There are heaps of rifles that will do 1"x100 - some even guarantee it. For a start go for stainless with a synthetic stock. I run Kimber Montana's which I truly love (in 223, 7mm-08, 280 Ackley) and the 223 and 7mm-08 will easily better 3/4"for 5 shots off the bench. Stock standard - totally untouched except for adjusting the trigger. The 280 Ackley I am still working up loads for but already it has beaten 1" x 5 shots and there is still more improvement to come as I fine tune the loads. My 375H&H Kimber Talkeetna will beat 1" for 3 shots - also stock standard. I only shoot 3 shot groups with the 375 for 2 reasons - it kicks the snot outta me off the bench and the Grizzly I shoot with it will never know anyway! Everything else I shoot 5 shot groups. Kimbers are expensive - but beautifully balanced and SOOOOOO light!! The more birthdays you have the more you appreciate light weight and balanced rifles.

I have Sakos and a few Rem 7's and 700's that are also well inside your line in the sand but some have been bedded.

If you are on a budget have a look at the Howa Mini in 223 and the 1500 in the 308 class. I don't own one but a few mates who have bring them up to my place/range in the mountains to test loads and they will all meet your criteria.

My son loves Weatherby Ultralights - we do our own work downstairs in my machine shop and he has built some cracking rifles. Set a record in Melbourne using a 22 Dasher he built himself on a Rem Mod 7 that still stands I think.

Don't get yourself bamboozled by the many opinions - use the KISS principle. Decide what you want THEN go shop around. I don't know Melbourne at all but any decent gunshop down there will sell you a rifle and they will also have someone they farm out any machine/bedding/trigger work that needs doing to.

Oh, a 22 you mentioned too. A CZ 452 will probably shoot .5" at 50 all day long straight from the box but having a wooden stock there is always a chance it will be average (1") until properly bedded. I run old Brno Mod 1's but if I was buying a new 22 today I'd probably go for a stainless synthetic Ruger.

Hope this helps - feel free to send me a personal message if you like.

Thanks for your advice, I'm still researching all your suggestions, the kimber's and howa's seem amazing, particularly the kimber rifles, their not cheap but a factory rifle which is then bedded etc wouldn't be cheap in the end either, plus the CZ's are beautiful too
And wow! you've taken Grizzly!
Are you aware if silencers/cans/suppressor's are legal in VIC or anywhere else in Australia?
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: graynomad on August 05, 2017, 06:37:54 am
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Are you aware if silencers/cans/suppressor's are legal in VIC or anywhere else in Australia?
Yes they are legal, at least in NSW, but the chances of getting a permit are two fifths of five eights of f*ck all.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 05, 2017, 06:38:17 am
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As one should not be alone
Have a buddy with another gun!

that makes two!

Yes then you share other weight, skills and sleep in shifts :) but then again to rely on others in such circumstances you'd have to be closer than blood
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 05, 2017, 06:49:56 am
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Are you aware if silencers/cans/suppressor's are legal in VIC or anywhere else in Australia?
Yes they are legal, at least in NSW, but the chances of getting a permit are two fifths of five eights of f*ck all.

So not a snow balls chance in hell of getting one
That's strange as I would have thought the authorities would prefer all the native animals weren't being disrupted and scared off by thunderclaps, while at the same time, more effectively culling the pest animals they want reduced because after you drop one the others just stand still looking perplexed as to why their herd member just laid down so suddenly so then your more likely to cull more of them?
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: graynomad on August 05, 2017, 07:04:11 am
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...I would have thought the authorities would prefer all the native animals weren't being disrupted and scared off by thunderclaps, while at the same time, more effectively culling the pest animals they want reduced because after you drop one the others just stand still looking perplexed as to why their herd member just laid down so suddenly so then your more likely to cull more of them?

I reckon that's the only way you would get one, but not in the bush, they don't give a shit if you bag 1 pig or 10. Maybe as a ranger dispatching roos in downtown you would have a chance, but then I think that's exactly what they were doing in Canberra and they (the rangers) got into trouble.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Mirage on August 05, 2017, 07:05:03 am
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Are you aware if silencers/cans/suppressor's are legal in VIC or anywhere else in Australia?
Yes they are legal, at least in NSW, but the chances of getting a permit are two fifths of five eights of f*ck all.

So not a snow balls chance in hell of getting one
That's strange as I would have thought the authorities would prefer all the native animals weren't being disrupted and scared off by thunderclaps, while at the same time, more effectively culling the pest animals they want reduced because after you drop one the others just stand still looking perplexed as to why their herd member just laid down so suddenly so then your more likely to cull more of them?

Google .22 silencer.  Many people say they are ridiculously easy to improvise.  To the point it makes the laws against them seem foolish.  I hear tell that even the act of googling to acquire knowledge may be an offence.

Also ... like Arkane says ... be part of a group and try and have some diversity of armaments.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 05, 2017, 07:58:05 am
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Are you aware if silencers/cans/suppressor's are legal in VIC or anywhere else in Australia?
Yes they are legal, at least in NSW, but the chances of getting a permit are two fifths of five eights of f*ck all.

So not a snow balls chance in hell of getting one
That's strange as I would have thought the authorities would prefer all the native animals weren't being disrupted and scared off by thunderclaps, while at the same time, more effectively culling the pest animals they want reduced because after you drop one the others just stand still looking perplexed as to why their herd member just laid down so suddenly so then your more likely to cull more of them?

Google .22 silencer.  Many people say they are ridiculously easy to improvise.  To the point it makes the laws against them seem foolish.  I hear tell that even the act of googling to acquire knowledge may be an offence.

Also ... like Arkane says ... be part of a group and try and have some diversity of armaments.

How would someone go about getting into a crew like that btw?
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: OzHippy on August 05, 2017, 08:37:38 am
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Also, I know this would be cheating as this question is kind of suggesting two guns but, what do you all think of this extremely light 'take-down' single shot .22lr? Is it legal here in Australia? It weighs just under half a kilo, so if you had a larger caliber gun for bigger more dangerous game and this for small game then in total you'd have one slightly heavier gun, but with the effective versatility of 2?
[url]https://www.packrifle.com[/url] ([url]https://www.packrifle.com[/url])
[url]http://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/10/14/pack-rifle-review-22lr-review-17oz-felt-light/[/url] ([url]http://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/10/14/pack-rifle-review-22lr-review-17oz-felt-light/[/url])



Saw this on some Alaskan survival show, 20g and .22LR combo rifle, covers most of the bases.  A quick google search.
https://www.guncity.com/2220g-chiappa-double-badger-folding-combo-gun-331717 (https://www.guncity.com/2220g-chiappa-double-badger-folding-combo-gun-331717)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: graynomad on August 05, 2017, 08:50:03 am
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Saw this on some Alaskan survival show, 20g and .22LR combo rifle, covers most of the bases.  A quick google search.
https://www.guncity.com/2220g-chiappa-double-badger-folding-combo-gun-331717 (https://www.guncity.com/2220g-chiappa-double-badger-folding-combo-gun-331717)

I see they have a 22/410 combo as well, that would suit me better as I already shoot both.

Did you see the price of a Chiappa 1887 lever shotty? $2,399 for a blue version, yikes! And I have two of them in chrome and stainless.
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Arkane on August 05, 2017, 10:27:23 am
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Are you aware if silencers/cans/suppressor's are legal in VIC or anywhere else in Australia?
Yes they are legal, at least in NSW, but the chances of getting a permit are two fifths of five eights of f*ck all.

So not a snow balls chance in hell of getting one
That's strange as I would have thought the authorities would prefer all the native animals weren't being disrupted and scared off by thunderclaps, while at the same time, more effectively culling the pest animals they want reduced because after you drop one the others just stand still looking perplexed as to why their herd member just laid down so suddenly so then your more likely to cull more of them?

Google .22 silencer.  Many people say they are ridiculously easy to improvise.  To the point it makes the laws against them seem foolish.  I hear tell that even the act of googling to acquire knowledge may be an offence.

Also ... like Arkane says ... be part of a group and try and have some diversity of armaments.

How would someone go about getting into a crew like that btw?

By making friends instead of enemies!
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: Dingodestiny on August 05, 2017, 12:51:43 pm
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Are you aware if silencers/cans/suppressor's are legal in VIC or anywhere else in Australia?
Yes they are legal, at least in NSW, but the chances of getting a permit are two fifths of five eights of f*ck all.

So not a snow balls chance in hell of getting one
That's strange as I would have thought the authorities would prefer all the native animals weren't being disrupted and scared off by thunderclaps, while at the same time, more effectively culling the pest animals they want reduced because after you drop one the others just stand still looking perplexed as to why their herd member just laid down so suddenly so then your more likely to cull more of them?

Google .22 silencer.  Many people say they are ridiculously easy to improvise.  To the point it makes the laws against them seem foolish.  I hear tell that even the act of googling to acquire knowledge may be an offence.

Also ... like Arkane says ... be part of a group and try and have some diversity of armaments.

How would someone go about getting into a crew like that btw?

By making friends instead of enemies!

Yes that's always a good start   :)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: doomsdayprepper4570 on August 18, 2017, 09:27:40 am
A sushi bamboo roller, wrap duct tape and a small amount of time and brains will give you a suitable "muzzle brake" for a 22 rimfire. ;) ;D
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: graynomad on August 19, 2017, 12:15:04 pm
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A sushi bamboo roller, wrap duct tape and a small amount of time and brains will give you a suitable "muzzle brake" for a 22 rimfire. ;) ;D

No good for me, I hate sushi :)
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: odzy on August 20, 2017, 12:28:04 am
sushi-mat wrapped barrels, good lord whats next LOL   ;D
Title: Re: On foot with one gun.
Post by: OzHippy on August 20, 2017, 10:24:57 am
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sushi-mat wrapped barrels, good lord whats next LOL   ;D


I was once told a plastic 2l drink bottle with the back end cutout makes a good silencer for a 22.  Will have to test it someday...