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Re: Fasting
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2017, 11:41:23 am »

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It has been my experience if you starve diabetics (obese, newly diagnosed) down to normal weight ranges
most will stop being insulin dependant and in many cases no need for even metformin!

For some or most but for others it isnt the case.  My sugar issues got picked up very early (cause Ive had polycystic ovary syndrome since a teen and 90% of those who have PCOS have diabetes by the time they are 40 so due to this I had a specialists watching out for me developing sugar issues and insulin resistance). 

I'd never had a high sugar reading  and my insulin resistance got picked up within the first few years it started (the hyperinsulinemia was ditching my sugar and sending me into hypoglycemia..

The first time or two I was tested for hyperinsulinia  it didnt show up (hyerinsulinemia is the prediabetes state)..when it did show up a year or 2 later,  my 2 specialists put me onto a severely restrictie low carb diet which is almost starving me of carbs, telling me that they could prevent me from developing diabetes with this diet and telling me I'd certainly get diabetes if I didnt strickly stick to the diet.

A normal diabetic diet is like 3 times the amount of carbs I was put on for the diet I was put on.. so it was extremely low.. similiar to akins diet. I have between 5-15 carbs per meal! 

I dont eat bread, grains, rice etc etc etc (all those things with a lot of carbs I dont eat), even things like nuts were restricted due to carbs (I got told to only have 12-15 per day). Fruit is limited to one small piece of low carb fruit a day due to the carbs of it etc. Diet I got put on was meat (to prevent insulin spikes) and low carb veg or salads (if I have tomato in my salad that counts as my daily fruit quota), 3 times per day.  Im not to drink drink fruit juice, cordial or anything with sugar in it (Im not allowed to fruit juice as its concentrated carbs, dried fruit etc) and drink mostly just chamomile or mint herbal tea and water (with some milk in my diet, the milk is my main source of carbs).

On this almost starved of carb diet.. my sugar over several years just slowly increased anyway and now goes within diabetic range if I breach it at all so my specialists (one which is a leader in the field and researcher on the prediabetes state, were wrong in my case and this near starvation of carb diet did not prevent diabetes).  So I developed the diabetes even with working to prevent it for several years before it developed (and I stuck strickly to my diet during that time..not even treating myself).  Nowdays though I stick mostly to my diet, I dont stick as stickly as i think why bother seeing the diet didnt work for that.

I had the same issue with my cholestrol issue too.. diet doesnt help my very high cholestrol much either and that seems to come and go based on some unknown factor.  I got told by a dr when I was a teen (I think I was 15 or 16 at time) I'd die by the time I was 21 due to my high cholestrol levels.. but the strict diet I was then put onto didnt lower it.   A couple of years later after I was no longer doing the low cholestrol diet, my cholestrol suddenly dropped (no reason I can come up with why it did that) and then stayed in normal range before it decided to go and spike again when I was in my 30s.

All I can figure is that I must have something wrong with my liver as the liver is involved in both cholesterol and diabetes.

(diet example.. here's what I ate and drink yesterday.. I didnt have anything else.. Water, chamomile and spearmint tea, ginger tea,  6 lamb chops, low carb veg and a can of tuna.. I didnt even have fruit, milk or nuts yesterday.  Anyway.. I dont know how many carbs in that but it isnt much at all. probably under 15g carb for the day.  For breakfast this morning I had a lamb chop, 3 low carb veg patties and a cucumber thing).

It does bug me that so many people think that diet changes fixes everyone when some of us have severe metabolic issues which things like diabetes or cholestrol dont go away with diet.  (yes I wont get high sugar if I stick to almost no carbs but the thing is if I breach my diet, I have the problem still there.. the diabetes developed when I wasnt even doing diet breachng of my highly restricted low carb diet for a couple of years).

My guess is that diets and loosing weight is only helping 80-90%.. with the other 10-20% not curable  by those things.

I even got a diabetic complication even though I was keeping my sugar down via diet. I tore a shoulder tendon just on reaching out to turn on a power board which othopedic specialist told me he was highly unusual in age I was at time  (I did that when I had just the prediabetes going on) and that kind of thing he said was most usually seen in his diabetic patients due to the autoimmune responses making them vulnerable this kind of injury so he asked me if I had diabetes thinking that was what caused me to be injured from doing near nothing. Ive torn both my shoulder tendons now .. my other tore in bed when I was asleep and I woke up wit a torn tendon which I still have limited range of movement now with my arm. Ive been told I probably will need surgery on this as I dont heal properly (another diabetic complication?) so its been 2 years now and Ive stil got restricted moment there.
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Re: Fasting
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2017, 03:54:04 pm »

Well, its quite an experience to figure out what suits you.  I think the main point is to be open to all options and try different things.  For instance, calorie controlled diets do not suit me however, fasting has benefited me.  I guess everyone is different.  Sadly, the doctors and medications use a formula of treatment that doesn't take your individual circumstances into account.  for instance, I know a young girl who is polycystic but has incredibly low blood sugar.  When they test her, they often comment that she shouldn't really be able to stand up.  However, that is her and she functions like that and has probably always been like that.  What can you do except work on self awareness and make decision appropriate to yourself. 

Wish I could tell you to feel better soon but it sounds like a long road for you.
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Re: Fasting
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2017, 04:33:56 pm »

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I know a young girl who is polycystic but has incredibly low blood sugar.  When they test her, they often comment that she shouldn't really be able to stand up.  However, that is her and she functions like that and has probably always been like that.  What can you do except work on self awareness and make decision appropriate to yourself. 

Seeing she is polycystic she more likely has her hypoglycemia being caused by her PCOS via hyperinsulinemia  (hence she's on her way to actually shifting and going to diabetic.. it may take some years but it will happen with this issue). 90%-95% of doctors do not even know to test for hyperinsulinemia and arent aware of the issues it can cause. Its something you often need a knowledgable specialist for.  Due to my PCOS, my blood sugar has tested as low as 2.2mmol/L by the standard doctors blood tests (healthy normal blood sugar range is 4-6 mmol/ and anything under 4 is classified as hypogycemia.  Levels below 2.2 are a medical emergency as they can lead to seizures and unconsciousness. I feel like crap at that level of blood sugar but still will have a normal consciousness level and still be able to function normally at levels which would floor some).

The standard 2hr Glucose tollerance tests dont include doing the insulin results too to check for hyperinsulinemia unless a doctor requests that done too on the test form otherwise the labs doesnt do.. Then even when it is done, sometimes this test is screwed up as the blood needs to be centifuged and kept on ice while being transported to a lab, if this isnt done (which it often isnt if doctors arent familiar with correct procedure and often the places taking the blood arent aware of this requirement) the insulin degrades on way to the lab hence then resulting in a false negative test result for the hyperinsulinemia.  (my specialist always includes a note on the form when I get my blood taken for this kind of testing,  to make sure the blood is transported correctly).
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