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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #75 on: July 31, 2017, 07:00:02 am »

Or a guitar string with handles.
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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #76 on: July 31, 2017, 10:15:49 am »

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In a scenario where one is evacuating their usual location (the scenario in original question) ... presumably they are doing so because they are coming under intense pressure from their fellow bipeds.
So, while I dearly love my Anschutz .22 it would be my second choice ... I'd take my Sako .308 instead.  Rabbits, fish and birds are obtainable without resorting to rifles.  I am still fit enough (just) to run down a sheep. I'd be walking up north into the central deserts where I have plenty of prior on-ground experience.  So ... What I want to be carrying is a tool that is suitable for dealing with obstacles/surprises along the way and be efficient at putting down big meat.  Nice and dry up in the central deserts so can turn big meat into much jerky and only have to find and shoot a beast just a few times a year. 

Under any other circumstances not involving threat from my own species ... I'd take the .22
Hey mate where were you in the desert and what were you up to? No offence to ANYONE bit I think people advocating a 22 have probably never lived in the bush. Like out of a swag.
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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #77 on: August 01, 2017, 03:40:19 am »

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I'll probably say my Ruger Charger.

That's a really nice light little tool...yeah I just googled it :) needs an H class license though right?
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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #78 on: August 01, 2017, 04:09:11 am »

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I'll probably say my Ruger Charger.

That's a really nice light little tool...yeah I just googled it :) needs an H class license though right?

Yes cat H. Not so light in a chassis but still OK.
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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #79 on: August 01, 2017, 04:11:04 am »

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Got to disagree. A .22 is great fun to shoot, don't get me wrong, but wouldn't you at least pick a magnum? Sure they are quiet, but I would rather 1 shot and the animal goes down, than 4 or 5 and it still runs off. And yes, I am aware that shot placement is crucial above all else, but that will be pretty hard to come by once all of the animals wise up.


Magnum is harder to find when SHTF, 22LR is way more common. I can put a 22LR in the eye of anything out to 100m all day long with my FVSR, any one that thinks you need more than a 22LR to put down a critter up to deer/roo size has no idea about hunting a ammo ballistics, not terribly ethical but a 22LR will drop most things when shot. Tried shooting a rabbit with a 308? I have and forget trying to eat it, but I have reloaded my 308/30-30 in subsonic speeds and will do somewhat better for meat hunting on small critters, but carry 100 30 cal rounds as the same weight with a 22LR and you will have way more ammo. The under rated 22LR is still the leading cause of death around the world when it comes to human being shot with firearms, or at least up there in civilian mishaps. I have lost count of all them Rambo macho bullshite wankers that say I can deal and do anything with my 308 and don't care about recoil, the number one accuracy reason goes out of the window besides some on not knowing how to shoot or set up a rifle is, recoil! Less recoil the better shot placement. Now don't get me wrong I can get the same accuracy out of my Scout 308 as to my Savage 22LR, but the 22LR rifle weighs less, ammo weighs less and is way more versatile when it comes to hunting game, but that is post SHTF, I will and won't use a 22LR on deer or the likes as it is illegal, but when it comes to walking in the bush post SHTF the 22LR in the hands of a competent shooter will serve you longer and better than a 30cal, and as I said before I would pick a 12G next, but ammo starts to become heavy, but with slugs, buckshot and birdshot there is nothing I can hunt and eat. But when SHTF all my rifles are part of my bug out trailer so all angles are covered, but if I had to pick the one dan do survival calibre the 22LR wins hands down, sure a 30cal will be way more efficient at longer ranges if you are good enough to use it, better to stop a human threat, but do you think human skin is that thick that a 22LR won't kill them?

The good old saying bigger is better does not apply to hunting, maybe a Hollywood porno, but not in the bush.

Here are few videos, NOT TO BE DONE PRE SHTF, but in a survival situation it will do if you use a 40g hollow point.

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And another one if you eat bacon.

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End of the day if you can shoot well enough and place a 22LR in the right spot it will kill most game in Australia, when I go bush I see way more small game then deer or roo, unless you can preserve all that deer/roo meat it will go off.




I know a farmer who has been shooting all his life (with many large calibers included) who only has a .22lr now and takes anything he needs to with it, but he has the skill to always put each bullet right behind the ear of larger animals
What do you think of the Ruger American Compact .22lr? And why do you prefer the Savage FVSR over all others? a .22lr will be my first purchase and I want a good highly accurate yet robust one, I'll have it tuned by a gunsmith, so if anyone can recommend a good gunsmith for highly accurate hunting rifles I'd greatly appreciate it
Also I emailed aussiehunter.org and he said he would choose a bolt .223 rem with soft point ammo as a single gun option in a complete lawless survival scenario, unless surviving up north where he said a .308 would be better
He said a short barreled .22lr as a second rifle would be good if weight wasn't a problem or if someone else was walking with you
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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #80 on: August 01, 2017, 08:17:23 am »

Since I've only got one gun it'd have to be my Ruger American 22lr
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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #81 on: August 01, 2017, 11:44:55 am »

First time I've seen this post/scenario.

No brainer - a 22. You are on foot remember and you are bugging out. If you are bugging out you are limited to what you can carry and presumably you will have food, water and other essentials - enough to get you where you are going. Weight of 200 x 22's wont break your back - try carrying that many 308's?

A nice lightweight bolt action 22 like a Brno/CZ with a 2-7 Leupold and backup iron sights is about ideal. In fact anyone who doesn't have something similar anyway has rocks in their head.
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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #82 on: August 01, 2017, 12:32:12 pm »

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First time I've seen this post/scenario.

No brainer - a 22. You are on foot remember and you are bugging out. If you are bugging out you are limited to what you can carry and presumably you will have food, water and other essentials - enough to get you where you are going. Weight of 200 x 22's wont break your back - try carrying that many 308's?

A nice lightweight bolt action 22 like a Brno/CZ with a 2-7 Leupold and backup iron sights is about ideal. In fact anyone who doesn't have something similar anyway has rocks in their head.

Arh but why is one bugging out??
If it is just zombies then a .22LR is the go
If it is armed bipeds or the like then you are way under-gunned and at a serious dis-advantage
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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #83 on: August 01, 2017, 09:00:21 pm »

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Since I've only got one gun it'd have to be my Ruger American 22lr

Don Caswell from aussiehunter.org specifically recommended a Ruger American Compact to me as the best .22lr rifle for survival purposes in Australia at this time, seems you chose well mate
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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #84 on: August 01, 2017, 10:17:46 pm »

My Ruger Gunsite Scout in .223 with a 3-10x42 Nightforce SHV bolted on :)
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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #85 on: August 01, 2017, 10:34:57 pm »

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My Ruger Gunsite Scout in .223 with a 3-10x42 Nightforce SHV bolted on :)

Sorry but it aint a true "Scout" Rifle!
A scout rifle is .308W or larger is 1m or shorter in length and has a long eye relief low powered scope forward of the receiver opening!
Call it what you like same as the guys who sold it to you but it fails the definition test as a "Scout" rifle!

Still a nice rifle though :D

Oh and your bipod is on the wrong way round!
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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #86 on: August 01, 2017, 11:01:38 pm »

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My Ruger Gunsite Scout in .223 with a 3-10x42 Nightforce SHV bolted on :)

Sorry but it aint a true "Scout" Rifle!
A scout rifle is .308W or larger is 1m or shorter in length and has a long eye relief low powered scope forward of the receiver opening!
Call it what you like same as the guys who sold it to you but it fails the definition test as a "Scout" rifle!

Still a nice rifle though :D

Oh and your bipod is on the wrong way round!

2 points;

1. Weather its a "true" scout rifle or not, I couldnt give less of a fcuk or of your opinion :)
2. Most people mount bipods on these this way, use google again like you did to copy paste the definition of a "scout rifle"

Happy prepping
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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #87 on: August 01, 2017, 11:46:23 pm »

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My Ruger Gunsite Scout in .223 with a 3-10x42 Nightforce SHV bolted on :)

Sorry but it aint a true "Scout" Rifle!
A scout rifle is .308W or larger is 1m or shorter in length and has a long eye relief low powered scope forward of the receiver opening!
Call it what you like same as the guys who sold it to you but it fails the definition test as a "Scout" rifle!

Still a nice rifle though :D

Oh and your bipod is on the wrong way round!

2 points;

1. Weather its a "true" scout rifle or not, I couldnt give less of a fcuk or of your opinion :)
2. Most people mount bipods on these this way, use google again like you did to copy paste the definition of a "scout rifle"

Happy prepping

I like the scout rifle concept and put a lot of weight in the opinion and therefore specifications of Jeff Coopers, but it makes sense that everyone should tailor their survival rifle to their needs and situation, Australia is a different kettle of fish to the US
How do you find the smoothness of the bolt cycling on the gunsite scout? I've seen videos of the bolt being quite rough/catchy to cycle at speed?, although still very robust, I'm leaning more to .223 rem too, makes more sense for the average size of animals here imo, rather hump around the same number of .223 rounds than .308 in the Australian summer, or after weeks of insufficient food and sleep etc
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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #88 on: August 02, 2017, 12:27:38 am »

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My Ruger Gunsite Scout in .223 with a 3-10x42 Nightforce SHV bolted on :)

Sorry but it aint a true "Scout" Rifle!
A scout rifle is .308W or larger is 1m or shorter in length and has a long eye relief low powered scope forward of the receiver opening!
Call it what you like same as the guys who sold it to you but it fails the definition test as a "Scout" rifle!

Still a nice rifle though :D

Oh and your bipod is on the wrong way round!

2 points;

1. Weather its a "true" scout rifle or not, I couldnt give less of a fcuk or of your opinion :)
2. Most people mount bipods on these this way, use google again like you did to copy paste the definition of a "scout rifle"

Happy prepping

I like the scout rifle concept and put a lot of weight in the opinion and therefore specifications of Jeff Coopers, but it makes sense that everyone should tailor their survival rifle to their needs and situation, Australia is a different kettle of fish to the US
How do you find the smoothness of the bolt cycling on the gunsite scout? I've seen videos of the bolt being quite rough/catchy to cycle at speed?, although still very robust, I'm leaning more to .223 rem too, makes more sense for the average size of animals here imo, rather hump around the same number of .223 rounds than .308 in the Australian summer, or after weeks of insufficient food and sleep etc

Hi mate - Its a bit catchy yes but I've gotten used to how it operates now. I bought this rifle as an all rounder that I can use for targets up to 300m tops, ammo is cheaper and lighter than a 308 and for what I want to hit with it 223 or 308 wont matter. Looking for a long gun that I'll go 308 in for that kinda thing. A lot of my friends have .223 so its handy in that respect too (sharing ammo in times of need if required)...
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Re: On foot with one gun.
« Reply #89 on: August 02, 2017, 02:29:35 am »

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My Ruger Gunsite Scout in .223 with a 3-10x42 Nightforce SHV bolted on :)

Sorry but it aint a true "Scout" Rifle!
A scout rifle is .308W or larger is 1m or shorter in length and has a long eye relief low powered scope forward of the receiver opening!
Call it what you like same as the guys who sold it to you but it fails the definition test as a "Scout" rifle!

Still a nice rifle though :D

Oh and your bipod is on the wrong way round!

2 points;

1. Weather its a "true" scout rifle or not, I couldnt give less of a fcuk or of your opinion :)
2. Most people mount bipods on these this way, use google again like you did to copy paste the definition of a "scout rifle"

Happy prepping

Why the rude/hate/anger in your reply ?  I was very civil in my post, seems you are not!

I cut and paste nothing ever! and sorry but most do not mount the bipod the wrong way round! legs should fold forward keeping the forestock clear for ones offhand use and so if slung over shoulder is wont dig furrows in ones back!
A rather simple concept and something a competent shooter would know but not those internet wannabees who think they know it all after just a few hours of internet research!

I will offer you no more info!

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